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GSM and amplifiers

Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:24 pm
by povidanius
Hi all,

I am new to radio stuff, and would be grateful if somebody clarify me some points. Lets say, my objective is to extend range of bladerf&YateBTS -based GSM base station.

1. In order to expand bladerf range (e.g. in GSM application) LNA should be connected to RX, and power amplifier (PA) to TX? Maybe somebody could recommend some LNA and PA hardware for GSM (e.g. to cover 50-100 m radius)?
2. After adding LNA and power amplifier the board should be recalibrated?

My experience is the following. YateBTS works good ot out the box (but the range is only few meters). When I connected PA to TX and LNA to RX, GSM network is not detected by handset. Afterwards, when plugging antennas to RX and TX directly, GSM networks is still not detected. After recalibration of bladerf GSM again appeared.

Re: GSM and amplifiers

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:19 pm
by bglod
Be aware that the bladeRF should not be exposed to signals greater than +23 dBm as this will damage the RF front end. The ADC saturates at a much lower input power -- around -13 dBm. Your issue with the amplifier could be that the signals are too strong and therefore are clipping either at the handset or the bladeRF. You can test this by moving (much) further away, and/or turning down the gains of the bladeRF. You could also try using Gqrx or gr-fosphor to view the spectrum to see if any clipping is taking place.

If you find clipping to be the issue, you can grab an RF limiter device that will attenuate strong signals without impacting your ability to receive lower power signals.

The LMS calibration routines do not take into consideration any external components, so I would not have expected a recal to have corrected the issue.

Re: GSM and amplifiers

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:20 am
by povidanius
Thank you for advice. I was able to extend range of GSM base station to 50-100 meters with quite stable signal, which is enough for my application.

Re: GSM and amplifiers

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:51 am
by bglod
Excellent! Was it saturation that was causing the problem, or was it something else? (In case someone with a similar issue comes across this post).

Re: GSM and amplifiers

Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:32 pm
by rockdoc
Hello Providanius.
just saw your mail from feb. 2018 that you were able to extend the range of yout GSM base station to 50-100 meters. Unfortunately you didn't write how you did it. Could you provide this info as I'm a beginner, setting up the GSM base station. Thanks in advance rockdoc